Although I don’t think Mittens made any huge gaffes, he did tell a pile of obvious lies and Obama seemed to catch him on them. I was reading Andrew Sullivan’s online live commentary as the debate went on, and his summations in the last few minutes pretty much made the event understood:
10.35 pm. After the first truly epic implosion in the first debate, Obama has clawed his way back in the following two, in my view. He has marshalled his arguments as potently as possible; he brought the themes of his candidacy together compellingly. His advantage on foreign policy will not, I think, diminish; it may well strengthen. And that is only just. After eight years of the most disastrous, misguided, immoral and a catastrophic foreign policy, Obama has brought the US back from the brink, presided over the decimation of al Qaeda, the liberation of Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, and restored America’s moral standing in the world.
For Romney, he made no massive mistakes. No Gerald Ford moments. And since the momentum of this race is now his, if now faltering a little, a defeat on points on foreign policy will be an acceptable result. But this was Obama’s debate; and he reminded me again of how extraordinarily lucky this country has been to have had him at the helm in this new millennium.
He’s flawed; he’s made mistakes; but who hasn’t? If this man, in these times, with this record, against this opposition, does not deserve re-election, then I am simply at a loss for words. I have to believe the American people will see that in time.
10.34 pm. Obama’s closing statement was his best few minutes in all three debates. Romney’s seems a little desperate and now he – the man whose running-mate is Paul Ryan – is saying he is more bipartisan than Obama.
10.30 pm. So Romney just blames the entire economy on Obama alone. This litany of “the economy sucks throw him out” is the crude but effective big lie.
10.27 pm. “Governor, the people in Detroit don’t forget.” The lies this man has said tonight have been more numerous than I can ever remember in any debate. The man does not have the moral character to be president, in my opinion.
I think Obama, aside from appearing presidential and in control of his information (and correct in presenting his record, as well.) Romney, as Obama said, tried to “Airbrush History.” The best turnover Obama brought around was when Romney claimed Obama had made an “Apology Tour” of the middle east, and the president cleared up his trips and and made it clear that the charge Romney has made was his “biggest whopper.”
Romney has seemed to abandon neoconservatism by endorsing Obama’s withdrawal from Afghanistan and agreeing on many other of the president’s foreign policy actions. Obama made sure to point this out. It seemed like Romney was congratulating the President of the United States.
Obama really came out as one who deserves a second term.He was clearly the Commander in Chief and Romney didn’t look like he would fill that role in the same way.
- Live-Blogging The Foreign Policy Debate (andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com)
- Final presidential debate: Obama wins foreign policy encounter (guardian.co.uk)
- Final Presidential Debate Focuses on Foreign Policy (voanews.com)
- Obama ‘wins’ foreign policy debate with Romney (timesofmalta.com)
- Obama Keeps Romney on His Heels in Final Debate (mysanantonio.com)
- The final presidential debate: 4 memorable moments (VIDEO) (washingtonpost.com)
Without being merely a violent attacker, Obama went after Romney by pointing out the misinformation he passed along in point after point. Obama did it by ultimately being Presidential. Romney screwed up by being non-Presidential (and insulting to America‘s President, a tasteless move.)
I think I agree with Bill Maher in summing up Obama’s performance:
“Obama was decent enough to not piss on the CORPSE”
Obama has completely recovered from the problems with the first debate. He made sure the 47% statement of Romney got into the discussion after Romney tried to tell us that he was supportive of and trying to help the 100%.
“Not true, Governor Romney… not true” was the statement Obama had an ease of coming back with. Did he do an active attack like “liar, liar“? No… he was respectful, something Romney is not capable of.
I’m really looking forward to the third debate.
- Barack Obama Beat Mitt Romney in the 2nd Presidential Debate, 64-36 (forbes.com)
- Winners and losers from the second presidential debate (washingtonpost.com)
- Mitt Romney Brought Every Mitt Romney He Could to the Debate Tonight, and President Obama Destroyed Them All (slog.thestranger.com)
- CBS Poll: Romney Wins 65-34 on Economy; CNN Poll: Romney Wins 54-40 on Economy, 49-46 on Health Care, 51-44 on Taxes, 59-36 on Deficit, 49-46 on Leadership, All in Favor of Romney (minx.cc)
- Obama and Romney Both Face Challenges in Second Presidential Debate (forextv.com)
(Thanks to All Hat, No Cattle for putting this one up.)
- Bill Maher: Can We Stop Pretending The Economy Is A ‘Complete Shambles’? (mediaite.com)
- Chris Matthews tells Bill Maher panel: Mitt Romney is running a ‘racist’ campaign (rawstory.com)
Now, speaking in Chrysler heavy Ohio, Romney is taking credit for Obama’s actions… they were his idea.
How does he sit down at all when his pants are always on fire?
Found this in Taegan Goddard’s Political Wire this morning:
BuzzFeed obtained a confidential strategy memo from an anti-gay marriage group, the National Organization for Marriage, with a goal of “fanning the hostility” between black voters and gay voters by casting President Obama as a radical foe of marriage.
If you download the strategy memo (an Adobe .pdf file) you”ll see just how conspiratorial this Repiglicant group is and how they use their lies and fabrications to weaken their Democratic opponents.
Thanks to The Smirking Chimp for this one:
I thought my head was going to explode last night when I saw this on Rachel Maddow‘s show. (Kudos Ms. R.)
So I want to share and hope you will share it as well.
So here we go. BTW… not a word of what you are about to read is true. Not one word of it. All easily verified. But you wouldn’t even know it happened if your only source of news is your morning paper. Okay .. first what Father Rick Santorum said:
“In the Netherlands, people wear different bracelets if they are elderly. And the bracelet is: ‘Do not euthanize me.’ Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands but half of the people who are euthanized – ten percent of all deaths in the Netherlands – half of those people are u involuntarily at hospitals because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. They go to another country, because they are afraid, because of budget purposes, they will not come out of that hospital if they go in there with sickness.”
— Former senator Rick Santorum, at the American Heartland Forum in Columbia, Missouri, Feb. 3, 2012
Needless to say folks in the Netherlands are appalled. The person saying it wants to run the biggest country on the planet. And finally, that no one over here seems to care.
Here’s the actual cut from Maddow’s show:
Is there nothing this asshole won’t say?
“I don’t believe all or even most of the Republican party voters are racist, but going at least as far back as Lee Atwater, the Willie Horton ads, and the attacks on John McCain in the South Carolina primaries in both 2000 and 2008, the immigration debate in 2006, there is a persistent willingness in the Republican party to use race baiting for electoral advantage. The fact is, this is racist behavior.”
– Gov. Howard Dean, in the Huffington Post
… and the Shirley Sherrod attack by Breitbart and Fox News (which Chris Wallace now claims didn’t really happen… but, hey, we were there!) is only the most recent occurance.
If you want a clearer view of Netanyahu when he made the quote above, check out this article, Tricky BiBi, in an Israeli publication HAARETZ.
— Rep. Mark Kirk (R-IL), in an interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, explaining how he exaggerated ( ie: lied about) his military record.
It would be nice to have politicians who didn’t lie… but it is not a situation that we are likely to have. It would also be nice to have politicians who could speak English.
OK… while many are watching the NCAA Basketball games, I’ll be watching the big sports action of the weekend: The Health Care bill in the House of Representatives.
CSPAN is showing BOTH the debates in the House and the Reconciliation Bill debate in the House Rules Committee (on CSPAN 2). The major players will all be out there, making the points or stalling to try and get the bill bogged down. Whatever happens today will determine what gets voted on tomorrow.
I’ll watch the Republicans push as many misstatements and lies as possible, challenge every rule and try to get this put off (the first Repub to speak at the Rules Committee meeting suggested how, if the Dems tried to be bipartisan, we could really get somewhere… in six years!) I’ll watch the Dems restate every point to make it clear (and I understand at some time today all the House Dems are being called into a meeting at the White House today to get their energy up) and try to end run the Repubs whenever possible. How could Basketball even compare?
This will probably run well into the night tonite… time to get out the popcorn and keep abreast of the various blogs that will be commenting on every play.
Excitement and entertainment abound.
Since the BBC put this together in 2004, about 6 years ago, doesn’t it make you wish our politicians had seen it? I guess they never did, or we might not be where we are now, Pass the information on to your Congressfolk and the President… if enough people do, maybe we’ll get out and start again at home.
Here’s Part 3:
Here’s a clip… but go and read the whole thing HERE:
… Take it away, Andy:
It seems like every available Republican has taken the floor today to tell us all the things wrong with the current proposals in the House for the final Health Care Bill which will go for merger with the Senate.
I’ve listened to them call it “Obamacare” and “Nancy Pelosicare” and “grotesque” and “the Worst Bill Ever” (which comes from the Wall Street Journal which, last time I looked, was run by Rupert Murdoch, just like Fox News, and has interest ONLY in supporting the conservative right.) I’ve heard them try to make it be seen as an “abortion bill”, a “tax increase for the American People”, and something that America has risen to speak against.
Now, this is what bugs the hell out of me. From what I can see, the great majority of the American people want to see this go through. Secondly, we WANT to see tax increases… that is on the top 1% of our fellow citizens who were given a gigantic tax-pass by Reagan-through-Bush and who can easily afford it and STILL BE THE RICHEST AMERICANS.
These Republicans keep saying that they have a better plan (but never reveal it), that the Democrats’ bill is 2000 pages long (but we’re never told why or how long the Republican Bill, which no one seems to be ready to reveal, is), then, to top it off, they make it clear that nothing will make them compromise with the Democrats on anything, no matter what the Democratic Bill is.
And now I’m listening to some boob from Texas (Ted Poe… I don’t know him) comparing this large, 2000-page-plus law as “socialist”, to his ideal of laws – the 10 Commandments (which he claims to be 2 pages – I guess he only reads big type.) Oh wait, some guy named Roskaw from Illinois sais the democrats’ bill will create 111 new bureaucracies… gee, he didn’t prove it though.
This is getting too hard to listen to… Let’s get this voted in and send the whining right home.
Speaking at the University of Tennessee, the former Bush Attorney General and current University of Texas Poli Sci Professor, said the following while defending activities in the War on Terror:
“President Wilson and Roosevelt engaged in massive collections of electronic communications during the first and second world war. The collection performed by President Bush was much more narrow.”
Remember how big a part electronic communications played in the First World War? Does this reflect on the intellectual integrity of the U. of Texas? Well, approximately 45 Texas Tech faculty members have signed onto a petition calling Gonzales’ hiring “objectionable.”
This long essay was found in the new Open Salon blog section. David Brin, a prolific scientist, lecturer, science fiction author and television commentator (The Universe, Life After People) has taken a view that the radical right has debased conservatism and is leading us into a very poor repeat of 1861.
Here’s a quick section:
But all right, Rush and Rupert and Sean and Glenn and Tafik. Go ahead. Push hard enough to finally wake up the real United States — the “Blue America” that seems all mushy because it always tries reason first. The citified sophisticates who have, for generations, sent vast net-flows of their taxes toward the red counties that then bit that generous hand with rants about the “decadent cities…” even though those cities have proved to be more moral, by far. (Compare rates of divorce, domestic violence, teen sex, STDs and yes, even abortion!)
Even though those cities are the front lines in the modern war on terror. Even though it was city folk who proved their courage and resilience, standing up for their country on 9/11.
Remember what finally happened almost a century and a half ago, Rush. Pushed too far, and as a last resort, those “decadent” Americans rose up. They donned that color blue and wore it proudly to defend the Union — and the dream — with their very lives.
If that has your curiosity going, you can read the whole article (and a lot of thoughtful comments) HERE.
I run this article from MediaMatters.org today because my e-mail was just hit by an outrageous statement against Acorn by my Congresswoman, Shelley Moore Capito. Here’s the truth:
If you get your news from right-wing talk radio and Fox News, you probably think America is being overrun by a hyper-corrupt organized prostitution ring headquartered in the White House.
In case you missed this story: Two conservative activists, Hannah Giles and James O’Keefe, visited a host of ACORN offices around the country posing as a pimp and prostitute. They asked for help establishing a brothel, and even stated that underage girls would be working for them. They had a surveillance camera and recorded at least four interactions with ACORN employees and claimed these employees provided them with assistance. All of the employees implicated have now been fired, and federal aid to ACORN has been cut off.
Still, the story at this point really has a lot more to do with Fox News and conservative media activism than with ACORN. The undercover videos first appeared on BigGovernment.com, founded by Andrew Breitbart, a protégé of Matt Drudge and a conservative with a long record of highly partisan and inflammatory statements. Giles, daughter of conservative blogger Doug Giles, attended the National Journalism Center in Washington, one of the many right-wing institutions conservatives have established to flood the field with young, motivated, and rabidly partisan “reporters.” For his part, O’Keefe has been a far-right activist since college.
Breitbart has developed a direct line to Glenn Beck, and so it wasn’t long before the videos were being presented breathlessly on his TV and radio programs. This week, following his 9/12 rally, Beck escalated the attacks over ACORN. “But good God almighty, what is wrong with us,” he said on Tuesday, “that we don’t right now get into the cars and drive back to Washington, and surround the Capitol and say, ‘What the hell is wrong with you people? Are you soulless? Are you dead inside?’ “
It was just the beginning. “Obama is Van Jones, Obama is ACORN,” right-wing pundit Monica Crowley said on Wednesday. “Just as he is ACORN, just as he is Van Jones, he is racism,” Rush Limbaugh parroted the sentiment on Thursday. Radio host Jim Quinn said that we were all living in the “United States of ACORN,” and Fox News’ Megyn Kelly had Karl Rove on to talk about the tapes exposing what was now a “remarkable criminal enterprise.” The stakes couldn’t be higher. ACORN, after all, was on tap to receive “eight and a half trillion dollars of stimulus money,” according to Sean Hannity — a number that was a thousand times greater than the equally fictitious billions that Beck had accorded to the organization on behalf of the government. ACORN had suddenly ballooned from an organization which had received $53 million in federal funds over 15 years to representing 67 percent of America’s gross domestic product.
Fox was running so wild with the story that they were willing to lower their already dubious standards. The first problem was one of logic. Four videos were being promoted as unimpeachable proof that all of ACORN is equally corrupt — all 1,200 chapters and hundreds of ACORN employees. It was the opposite of how a credible investigation is supposed to function, in which conclusions are withheld until after all the facts are in. By comparison, here, the conservative media had a few isolated facts but were willing to extrapolate an entire thesis from them.
More important, Fox News failed to vet the tapes. This was made painfully clear with the case of the San Bernardino ACORN office, which was featured in the fourth video to be released. In the footage, ACORN employee Tresa Kaelke claimed that she had murdered her former husband following a period of domestic abuse. On September 15, Beck and Sean Hannity both broadcast Kaelke’s assertion. Beck, who had reported on the supposed confession during his radio program, added on Fox, “She never spanked her kids, but she did shoot her husband dead.” Later that night, Hannity played the same clip, and in a rare moment of intellectual curiosity, asked about the veracity of the murder claim. “We’re working on it,” Giles said, which was enough for Hannity. The following morning, on September 16, Fox News’ Gretchen Carlson repeated the allegation, saying, “She killed somebody? Despite this, some lawmakers want to keep funding the group.”
But Kaelke’s ex-husbands are alive. The San Bernardino Police Department confirmed this simple fact on September 15, releasing a statement that read: “Investigators have been in contact with the involved party’s known former husbands, who are alive and well.” (Kaelke was soon quoted in an ACORN press release saying that she had made the claim because she was seeking to mislead the undercover videographers, whom she was suspicious of.) In spite of these developments, the next day, Hannity was still treating the San Bernardino tape as fully credible. He even hosted Giles again but failed to ask her about her own investigation into the truth of the claim. (Here’s a full timeline of the attention the San Bernardino video received.)
In the meantime, another pivotal hole in the story began to present itself. During interviews, Breitbart, Giles, and O’Keefe had all asserted that the undercover team had never been kicked out of an ACORN office. Bertha Lewis, ACORN’s CEO and chief organizer, had already said this was a falsehood by the time a Philadelphia ACORN employee, Katherine Conway Russell, publicly claimed to have done just that, adding that she had filed a police report after a visit from the conservative pair. The police report was soon produced, raising further serious questions about the credibility of the entire ACORN exposé. It was another major side of the story that Fox News simply hadn’t cared to look into.
On the offense, Breitbart has lashed out at the mainstream media for supposedly burying the story. “The behavior of Jonathan Klein, the president of CNN,” he said on Friday, “has been despicable during this.” Many mainstream reporters were indeed worthy of criticism, but for the opposite reason that Breitbart cited. Their real failure was discussing the ACORN issue on Fox News’ terms and ignoring the network’s role in pushing the smears.
The New York Times covered up conservatives’ well-documented ACORN obsession in its reporting. In their reports, all three network evening news broadcasts — ABC’s World News, NBC’s Nightly News, and the CBS Evening News — left out substantive facts about the incidents that mitigate the accusations, exonerate ACORN employees, or undermine the credibility of the filmmakers. Moreover, none reported that Fox News, in its aggressive promotion of this story, had made false accusations.
On MSNBC, Chris Matthews was content to report that the right had simply “claimed another victim,” as if the campaign had been entirely legitimate. “They know what they are doing because they are getting an audience from this,” he added, uncritically. And MSNBC’s Dylan Rattigan allowed conservative activist Carter Clews of Americans for Limited Government to ask Bertha Lewis, “How much money did Barack Obama funnel to you … with his buddy-boy Bill Ayers?” David Shuster and Juan Williams provided some of the week’s few media bright spots by focusing on Fox News itself and providing the story with some perspective.
Fox News is already teasing its next round of ACORN attacks. If credible journalists don’t stand up for their craft, then Fox News will keep enjoying its position in the driver’s seat.
BTW, there were a lot of links in this article that didn’t copy over, so go to MediaMatters to get them.
Watching Teddy’s Memorial Service on MSNBC while I am surfing the web and discovering that the radical right web sites are using the occasion to say some of the nastiest things about him, about liberals and about and public option health plan. I’ve been looking at blogs entitled “It Ain’t America No More!” and “The Mary Jo Kopechne Right to Life Bill” and “Gun Grabbers Rush to Exploit Ted Kennedy’s Death” and “The Ted Kennedy moral whitewash peaks today.” I could go on (and I didn’t put in links, since, if you want to read this crap, you can go find it yourself.)
A lot of right-wing writing is trying to ward off the push that Kennedy’s death is giving liberals to pass Health Care. This, I guess, is to be expected.
At least we can make fun of the right’s anti- health care reform stand, as Mark Fiore shows in this animation:
My daughter Cassandra sent me an e-mail this morning forwarding me to an excellent blog called CtWatchdog.com (which I have added to my News Blogroll). It is written by George Gombossy, who spent 14 years as the Courant’s Bysiness Editor and was the first investigative consumer columnist in the Courant’s history. He was fired on August 14 for refusing to “be nice” (ie: tell lies about) major advertisers.
As a born and raised Connecticut guy (who left the state seven years ago but who still maintains strong family and friend connections there) I was shocked to read the articles at the site relating to thr demise of America’s oldest continuously published newspaper.
If you are interested in good journalism in general, or in Connecticut journalism in particular, this is a blog you should check in on.
… or at least that’s what an organization called The 60 Plus Association thinks. They supposedly represent older folks like me as we stand in the face of possible Health Care Reform. And, indeed, they are representing us older folks with a new television ad:
So, here I am sitting back in my big chair with my evening insulin shot and miscellany of pills, knowing that this organization is representing me and my age group against a government that wants to put me in front of a “death panel.”
Hey, wait a minute… when I looked this group up on Sourcewatch, I found out that a
2006 report in the AARP Bulletin called 60 Plus a front group for the pharmaceutical industry. 60 Plus, along with Senior Coalition and United Seniors Association, “claim to speak for millions of older Americans, although as recently as 2001 none of the three listed any revenue from membership dues on their tax returns.” The article added: “virtually all of their largest contributions in recent years have come from the same source — the nation’s pharmaceutical industry.”
You know what else I found out?
60 Plus fought state legislation dealing with prescription drugs. The group fought “such legislation in Minnesota and New Mexico,” with assistance from the Bonner & Associates firm, which specializes in astroturf lobbying. “The firm’s paid callers, reading from scripts that identified them as representatives of 60 Plus, urged residents to ask their governors to veto the legislation. Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc. later said it had paid Bonner & Associates to make the calls,” reported AARP.
Now isn’t Bonner and Associates that lobbyist agency that got brought up on charges last week for pushing forged letters from support organizations in the health care debate? I think they are criminals, aren’t they?
Maybe I should give Jim Martin who is listed as the head of 60 Plus a call at 703 807 2070 and see what he is really doing here… and why there aren’t a lot of us seniors who are members of his organization, while Pfizer and other pharmaceutical guys ARE members and provide funds for his TV ad.
Nah… I’m a Senior and I’m too stupid to think for myself.